[wellylug] Virus

Mon Mar 25 19:19:19 NZST 2002

To clarify one question here, I am using Outlook as will be recorded in the
header?

Lindsay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Withers [mailto:swithers at paradise.net.nz]
> Sent: Monday, 25 March, 2002 19:20
> To: wellylug at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [wellylug] Virus
>
>
> Phil_Hayward wrote:
>
> >Amid all of this hubris, I have to stand beside Lindsay on this one.
> >
> >I use Microsoft Outlook for my mail. There are compelling
> reasons why I use
> >Outlook, none of which I care to share with the wider group.
> >
> Outlook? Or Outlook Express?
>
> A year ago, it didn't matter. But today it is Outlook Express that is
> still the worst mail client to use from a security perspective.
>
> Phil - if you and Lindsay are using "Outlook" and not "Outlook Express",
> then I'll climb down. After a decade of knowing the security flaws in
> their mail clients, MS finally did - more or less - fix Outlook late
> last year.
>
>
> > One thing though that does sadden me is the zealotry of the wider Linux
> >community, a little of which I believe we are experiencing here.
> It saddens
> >me because I am a fan and advocate of Linux and most all open software. I
> >use Linux and open software at home and in previous times at work. I am
> >currently in a process of trying to convince my current employers of the
> >merits of deploying Linux in some areas of our business. Microsoft works
> >well for them at this time and they are not going to readily allow the
> >introduction of a new platform without full consideration of all
> aspects in
> >balance. They are going to be even less likely to allow the
> introduction of
> >a platform which is perceived to be the dominion of zealots.
> >
>
> I'm complaining about a viral distribution channel that also does e-mail
> -  called Outlook Express........I do NOT see that as an attack of Linux
> hubris. It is a statement of fact. I also see it as well intended advice
> to someone who came to this list after being infected with a virus - in
> fact, sending a virus to this list.
>
> His problem is Outlook Express. We gave him advice that he should not
> use this vulnerable software. It is not the first time, because this is
> not the first time OE's viral distribution properties have been noted
> here after an infestation.
>
> Forgive us for being frustrated when people persist in making themselves
> and others vulnerable to virii when they KNOW of the problem and the
> solution.
>
> >I believe Linux and Open Source will find it rightful place within the
> >greater computing world but will not be helped along by its 'championing
> >communities' showing an intolerance to anything but 'Linux et al'.
> >
> You are way off the mark. This isn't Linux vs Windows. This is computer
> users against lousy software others insist on using and spreading
> viruses around.......
>
> OE is crap software because it is so insecure. Maybe we wish it
> wasn't......but it is.
>
> The equivalent is alcoholics drink driving because "they have no
> alternative" or people with AIDs having unprotected sex because they
> think they need to........and bugger the rest of us who receive the
> virus laden mail they (un????) knowingly forward...
>
> >Whilst I believe a lot of comments towards Lindsay's faux pas are in good
> >spirit some can appear to be tinged with intolerance and
> zealotry. Lets lay
> >off the guy and have a little more understanding; and if we
> can't understand
> >then acceptance that he and millions of others choose to use software
> >different to yours. After all, the question begs to be asked, "If our
> >software is so bloody wonderful, why isn't the rest of the world
> using it?"
> >
> You're just pissing me off by turing this into a Linux vs Windows thing
> when it simply isn't.
>
> This is a "Why don't you address your security problem!!" thing.
>
> >I've said enough I think....I will just slink away and put some asbestos
> >lining in my suit in preparation for the flame fest that could
> well follow.
> >
> Only because you missed the point entirely.......tunring this discussion
> about a mail client with appalling security weaknesses into something it
> isn't.
>
> The source of any frustration here is that Lindsay is using a program he
> and we all know to be a serious risk to data integrity.......and he
> unable to imagine himself doing anything to correct that once and for all.
>
> I like Lindsay. I know he's a great guy and I'm always happy to see him
> at any meeting we have both attended over the past 10 years.
>
> But on THIS issue, I don't accept he has to actually use OE 100% of the
> time to be able to support his clientele. Some other mail client that
> didn't infest the world would do....and he could use OE to support his
> clients when he needed to. He could easily use another mail
> client...*and* recommend it to clients having trouble with
> viruses....resolving his long term issue, too.
>
> This definitely ISN'T Linux vs Windows.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
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> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22-Mar-02
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Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22-Mar-02

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