[wellylug] Re: Microsoft FUD at work (Linux fud too?)

[Wellington Assassin]

Good evening, 

Before I respond, I would just like to point out this is what I was
after. Discussion of an issue. Many of you were quick off the mark to
acuse me of flaming, heck, one of you took about all of about 7
minutes to respond. 

The issue I am raising here is linux in business. Healthy debate. We
have the good NZOSS bandwagon going, along with a bunch of new linux
in business startups around the place. Many of which seem to be doing
-very- well for themselves. And I do support both of the above
efforts. 

All I am asking is that we don't get trapped into over looking the
things we should examine when giving advice out to -potential- new
linux users. Anyone who knows me will tell you that I use linux
extensivly. I stand by my thinking that some companies are not fit to
jump right in and use linux, however, people like Steve here, have
also convinced me that some companies arn't ready for Windows in
business either. Time to bring back OS2? Maybe, but next time you read
something that doesn't match your ideals, debate, don't abuse, it just
isn't cricket. 

Anyways, back to the linuxie stuff...

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<snip etc etc>

>> UNIX boxes are hacked / cracked / DOS'd each day than any other OS.
>
>Really? Could you support that?
>

Working on it. Just sent a E-Mail rerequesting a paper I read
recently. 

>Um, as I understand it, the "chunking" bug was not widely exploited
at
>all, dependant as it was on particular Apache builds on particular
>hardware. And of course, it was disclosed, _before_ exploits were
seen
>in the wild.
>

Grep bugtraq. The chunk handling issues were raised about a year
before on the list. The apache developers discarded it, and it is
known at least two underground groups had sucessfully exploited it
long before it was rediscovered with the oracle research. 

>> 2) If its "0day" and public, chances are it's been known to private
>> individuals for at least a year. 
>
>That goes for any platform, surely?
>

Yes. But I am sick of tired of people saying "another ms hack!
hahaha". Yet certain linux bugs (ie, the latest wordwrap bug for php,
which, apparently there is a exploit around for already - look out for
4.3.1 which has a fix) don't tend to get alot of media / list / nntp /
whatever-internet-medium-you wish-here-coverage.

>
>The three banks that I have worked for (NAB, BNZ, Egg) use Solaris
for
>their public facing servers (and two of them were using Apache).
>
>But yes, that was interesting looking with Netcraft. Especially
seeing
>that the best uptimes are for the Unix banks ;-)
>
>According to netcraft:
>
>The site www.kiwibank.co.nz is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows
>2000.
>The site www.psis.co.nz is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000.
>The site www.ampbanking.co.nz is running Lotus-Domino/Release-4.6.5a
on
>NT4/Windows 98.
>The site www.westpactrust.co.nz is running Lotus-Domino/5.0.5 on
Solaris
>8.
>The site www.bankdirect.co.nz is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on
>NT4/Windows 98.
>The site www.asb.co.nz is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows
98.
>The site www.nationalbank.co.nz is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on
>NT4/Windows 98.The site www.nationalbank.co.nz is running
>Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98.
>The site www.anz.co.nz is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows
98.
>The site www.tsb.co.nz is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.10
>OpenSSL/0.9.6g on Linux.
>
>BNZ I happen to know runs Apache on Solaris.
>

My point exactly. 8 out of 11 servers there are running MS based
products. As for the uptime... when was the last time a solaris server
required a reboot after patching? =) Your right... interesting. 

>> 5) Support. We need to point out to people asking the question of
>> linux in business different support options. This is a companies
>> infrastructure they are playing with, not a home desktop machine. 
>
>Goes for any platorm too.
>

Granted, unreservedly.

>
>Oh bollocks. I have worked at organisations where Linux was a key
part
>of the infrastructure since 1998, anyway. That's five years.

>From what you have mentained. The type of companies you have worked
for (ie, larger companies), wouldn't be the type to post to a lug list
whether or not to use linux. Hense, I took the assumption we are
dealing with a SME / SOHO market. 

>
>> My $1.25 worth.
>
>Inflation, eh?

What can I say, the economy isn't stable ;) 

>
>Stephen
>-- 
>Stephen Judd <sljudd at paradise.net.nz>
>
>

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