[wellylug] Nightmares on Paradise (solved)

[Chris Hodgetts]

Why put the billions of dollars of investment into these projects if you
are going to only use 1/2 of the capacity..

Air New Zealand would not go and buy a new plane for a trip to LA that
they would only ever 1/2 full.. would they?



On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 09:16, Nigel Roberts wrote:
> I'm sorry?
> 
> So you're saying that Telecom doesn't have the right to recoup the
> billions of dollars that it put into both those projects, let alone
> pay for their upkeep?
> 
> I'm no fan of Telecom's but this sort of argument just makes no sense.
> 
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 20:47:50 +1200, Michael Dittmer wrote:
> 
> > Excuse me for saying, but the cost of International Bandwidth agrument is
> > all crap. If Telecom opened up the rest of the Southern Cross cable and also
> > if they gave us access to the new IPSTAR sat then NZ could have more
> > bandwidth then we know what to do with, which would make bandwidth super
> > cheap.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wellylug-admin at lists.naos.co.nz
> > [mailto:wellylug-admin at lists.naos.co.nz] On Behalf Of Nigel Roberts
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:24 PM
> > To: wellylug at lists.naos.co.nz
> > Subject: Re: [wellylug] Nightmares on Paradise (solved)
> > 
> > The cost of access isn't the problem, it's the cost of international
> > bandwidth. Cheap, high-speed, flat-rate internet still won't work in
> > NZ. It's very cheap to upgrade capacity on a cable network, and any
> > bottlenecks to tend to occur elsewhere.
> > 
> > The features in 1.1 or even 2.0 tend to be focused on the provider,
> > rather than the user ie. things like extra security, QoS etc. DOCSIS
> > 2.0 does include faster modulation profiles (more bandwidth), but only
> > upstream.
> > 
> > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 20:10:53 +1200, Michael Dittmer wrote:
> > 
> > > So how will that affect existing cable customers?
> > > 
> > > Can we expect to see more higher speed options and more traffic per month?
> > > 
> > > Or more shocking, UNLIMITED TRAFFIC!!!! 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wellylug-admin at lists.naos.co.nz
> > > [mailto:wellylug-admin at lists.naos.co.nz] On Behalf Of Nigel Roberts
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:03 PM
> > > To: wellylug at lists.naos.co.nz
> > > Subject: Re: [wellylug] Nightmares on Paradise (solved)
> > > 
> > > It's 1.0.
> > > 
> > > The plan is to move to 1.1/2.0 soon.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 19:48:10 +1200, Michael Dittmer wrote:
> > > 
> > > > BTW...what DOCSIS is Paradise using?
> > > > 
> > > > Is it version 1.1 or version 2.0?
> > > > 
> > > > Michael 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wellylug-admin at lists.naos.co.nz
> > > > [mailto:wellylug-admin at lists.naos.co.nz] On Behalf Of Nigel Roberts
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:41 PM
> > > > To: wellylug at lists.naos.co.nz
> > > > Subject: Re: [wellylug] Nightmares on Paradise (solved)
> > > > 
> > > > Yes and no.
> > > > 
> > > > There are Com21 CMTSs and DOCSIS CMTSs (where CMTS is Cable Modem
> > > > Termination System) and they both connect to the same physical
> > > > network. The head end is effectively the same for both, but they
> > > > operate at different frequencies.
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 15:35:24 +1200, Chris Hodgetts wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I always understood there was two Head Ends for both modem networks...
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 15:15, Nigel Roberts wrote:
> > > > > > This is exactly right.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Since each technology (Com21 and DOCSIS) use different equipment at
> > > > > > both ends, they are in fact seperate at layer 2 which means they
> > must
> > > > > > be seperate at layer 3.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > They could be combined together, but why make a broadcast domain any
> > > > > > larger than it needs to be? :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 14:29:38 +1200, Sam Cannell wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:30:41 +1200, Donald Gordon <don at dis.org.nz>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On a vaguely related note, did they change your IP address when
> > > they
> > > > > > > > swapped your COM21 modem for a DOCSIS?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > donald (whose COM21 is still plugged into an ISA NE2000 clone)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > My understanding is that there are separate subnets for Docsis and
> > > > > > > Com21 users - I believe that anyone migrated from Com21 to Docsis
> > > will
> > > > > > > have their address changed.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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