[wellylug] Microsoft At WellyLUG last night.

[Bret Comstock Waldow]

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:07, Michael Dittmer (An Inside Job) wrote:
> Some people you just can't argue / have a debate with, it's like smacking
> your head against a brick wall.
>
> That's the problem with some linux-only people, live in their own little
> world and can't see past the end of their nose.

That's also the problem with some <insert anything you want here> people.

Some of them.

So it doesn't prove anything, although it suggests where the person pointing 
it out happens to be looking at the time they make the observation.

No offense intended.  Just noting that we can find an example of many 
positions (not all positions) and counterexamples to many positions (not all 
positions).

It's true you can't argue / have a debate with some people.  Yup, that's true.

Sorry, what was this about??

Perplexed,
Bret

>
> And no I'm not sorry for the comment because it is true.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wellylug-admin at lists.wellylug.org.nz
> [mailto:wellylug-admin at lists.wellylug.org.nz] On Behalf Of Cliff Pratt
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 7:59 p.m.
> To: wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [wellylug] Microsoft At WellyLUG last night.
>
> Jethro Carr wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 09:35, Cliff Pratt wrote:
> >>Centurion Computer Technology Ltd wrote:
> >>>Could you honestly say that Microsoft is the only one.
> >>>
> >> > Is an employee automatically evil just by association?
> >>
> >>Microsoft is not the only one and not the worst. One of the worst is
> >>RedHat who have the cheek to charge for free software by pretending
> >>that they provide "service". That is truly evil. Not only does it put
> >>individuals off from trying it, but it stifles innovation and promotes
> >>lock-in to 'their' product. Remember, what you now pay over $600 for
> >>you used to pay $80 for. Per annum. Or more likely 'per anum'.
> >
> > But Redhat pays developers to make their products. They must get an
> > income to pay the developers.
> >
> > $600 may seem like a rip off (and it proberly is), but lets explain
> > this:
> > you are a in a large company and want to convince the management to
> > switch from Windows to Linux. If you tell them that a Linux server
> > solution costs $80 and a Windows is $1000, what are they going to think?
> > They will think that there is something wrong or flawed with Linux, no
> > matter what you tell them.
> >
> > However, if you say Linux is $600 and Windows is $1000, they see Linux
> > simply as a cheaper alternative, but still just as good as Windows.
> > (from their viewpoint - we know linux is BETTER than windows)
> >
> > Redhat aims their products at the commercial server market, and to get
> > into that market they need to charge high prices to keep in line with
> > all the other solutions out there.
>
> I don't believe that you can seriously advance that
> *justification* for RedHat charging an enormous amount for
> their packaged version of Linux.
>
> > Redhat does no stifle innovation, they are constally expanding
> > opensource software, and releasing it to the community. Sure, you may
> > dislike Redhat for being too commercially driven, but if you want to
> > compete, you need to be.
> >
> > And Redhat DOES NOT run a monopoly, DOES NOT use closed standards, DOES
> > NOT promote lies and DOES NOT try and lock people in.
>
> It DOES promote lies! One lie is that its $600 Linux is
> better than a freely downloaded Linux. Another is that its
> $600 charge is for support. And it does try to lock people in.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
>
>
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