[wlug_org] Your post to the wlug_org list

[Brent Wood]

Sigh....

What gives? 

On one hand we are too precious in Wellylug and want to constrain posts too
much, now we are told we need to constrain posts, to the extent of removing
inappropriate ones.

Is it just me who's getting mixed messages? Does anyone apart fro m Jamie D
feel we need some should/shouldn't post guidelines for the LUG? 

Personally I feel the lists are a vehicle for interested people to put forward
opinions & discuss (broadly) Linux, Wellylug & members related issues, subject
to any rules pertaining to the service. (Only the one rule I'm aware of...)

A comment about a new subscription or unsubscription from the list admin is not
unreasonable, given the list membership has been agreed to pretty much
constitute LUG membership. Certainly not illegal & I can't see how it is
unethical. 

I don't see a need for WellyLUG imposed restrictions, or for messages to be
removed. I would suggest that without a concensus of the individuals on the
list, it is arrogant in the extreme for an individual to try to dictate what
should & should not be there. 

If the members of this list are comfortable with messages being removed from
the record to avoid offending someone, fine, but IMHO it should be a request to
the members to consider & agree, not an order from an individual.   
 

I'd also like to know if anyone said the "precious whiners" comment was aimed
specifically at Jamie D? As the original author of that comment, I know it
wasn't. He seems to feel it fit him all too well though. A pity, as he has
contributed much to LUG in the past. 


Brent



--- Jamie Dobbs <jamie.dobbs@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

> Jeremy
> 
> I do not appreciate the fact the you made it public to the wlug_org list 
> that I had left the wellylug list. What I do with respect to list 
> subscriptions is confidential to me and not for others to be told about. 
> Unless conditional membership to the wellylug list makes it quite clear 
> that you will be monitored and could have notice of your 
> subscription/unsubscription posted in a publicly viewable forum then I 
> do not see how this is either legal or ethical.
> 
> I also do not appreciate the tone that was used in the posting of your 
> message and kindly request that you make the wlug_org aware that I have 
> requested that your post and the replies to it be removed from the 
> publicly accessible wlug_org archive web page.
> 
> I would also like to make it clear to you that my comments were aimed at 
> the "preciousness" that wellylug appears to have developed and was not 
> at all aimed at Ewens rules on the list and the posting of commercial 
> material. But I do fail to see how asking a persons experience with an 
> online store constitutes any form of commercial posting, but I guess it 
> is Ewens right to deny this and it must be abided by.
> 
> My main reason for removing myself from the list was this comment 
> "..than some of the precious whiners who seem to hang around the list 
> occasionally". This was quite clearly aimed at me and the fact that I do 
> not just accept everything that is said on the wellylug list, and that I 
> am prepared to stand up and offer an opinion on those things that I am 
> not prepared to accept. Obviously it is not acceptable to be 
> "non-compliant" and it is for this reason that I am no longer on the 
> wellylug list, and have nothing more to do with the Wellington Linux 
> Users Group.
> 
> You need to remember that Linux can, and will, only be accepted by the 
> masses when it is easy to use and as widely supported as Microsoft 
> Windows is and I fear that this is many years away and that Linux will 
> stay for the time-being as something for geeks to play with. I have 
> known many people who have been completely turned away from Linux after 
> seeing the rabid rantings of Linux zealots and I also fear that this is 
> not something that will change in the near future either.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Jamie Dobbs
> 
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