[wlug_org] Re: NZLUG discussion

[Tony Wills]

I agree with the broad concept of a national Linux group.

I've just explored linux.net.nz and nzlug.org.nz and can see where Ewen's 
hostility is coming from:

The linux.net.nz site is on the surface nzlug but just about every page is 
WLUG content and even though much is broadly relevant it is rather 
confusing ... I have to agree with others that nzlug needs to divorce 
itself from such close attachment to other lugs - sure it can have it's 
website based on someone elses and run on the same machine but it *must* be 
seen as entirely separate entity to work.  You can share 
articles/knowledge-base without sharing the web/wiki-site.

I could not find any nzlug discussion going on in the wiki pages.

The "unofficial" nzlug.org.nz site indeed has an nzlug re-creation 
discussion going on http://www.nzlug.org.nz/index.php/Brain_Dumps, but 
there appears to be a fault in the login/join page (maybe deliberate) - 
there's no way to create an account so that people can add to the discussion.

Tony.

At 21:37 9/07/2005, Mark Foster wrote:

>Ewen McNeill wrote:
>>In message <6.1.2.0.0.20050709182158.05b618c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz>, Tony 
>>Wills writes:
>>
>>>At 17:53 9/07/2005, Ewen McNeill wrote:
>>>
>>>>(In theory I've been subscribed to the mailing list since Wednesday 
>>>>evening, and have received no messages.)
>>>
>>>There's been about 28 messages on the list NZLUG since Wednesday, the 
>>>AuckLUG list is very quiet.
>>
>>After  playing with Google some, I see the problem.  The
>>http://www.nzlug.org.nz/ site refers to a different mailing list from the
>>"old" one.  And the "new" one (nzlug-discuss) is apparently unused.
>>http://volker.dnsalias.net/linux/lists-nz.html
>>gives what appears to be the "current" mailing list, <nzlug@linux.net.nz>.
>>(Plus links to most of the other LUG lists in New Zealand.)
>>As such it appears that http://www.nzlug.org.nz/ can't be trusted, which
>>isn't exactly an inspiring start for something trying to be a central
>>resource...
>>Perhaps http://linux.net.nz/ is still intended to be the "official"
>>site for NZLUG, but if so it's a fairly unfortunate URL as I find
>>it nearly impossible to remember which of the various linux.co.nz,
>>linux.org.nz, linux.net.nz, linux.gen.nz, etc, is the "right" one for
>>any given thing (if any linux.org.nz would be the closest to obvious
>>of a NZ Linux group, but that's someone's vanity domain and lacks any
>>useful information at all).  "nzlug.org.nz" seems the obvious domain
>>so IMHO it'd be better to fix the content there, than try to tell the
>>whole world to go somewhere else.
>>Anyway I'll try subscribing to the "old" list and see what happens.
>>
>> From the NZLUG list Mark seems to expect some response back from WellyLUG
>>>re the proposal, shall we discuss and then vote or just vote ;-)
>>
>>Perhaps those who care to formulate an "official" response can talk about
>>it at one or more of the meetings this month.  From my point of view --
>>other than the fact that some of the information on the site is clearly
>>inaccurate, and there's not much there yet -- I can't see a problem with,
>>eg, putting a link on the Wellylug website pointing people at it.  The
>>general concept seems fine, even if the implementation needs work.


Heres some further info to clarify for you, Ewen:

http://www.linux.net.nz/node/view/11

To subscribe to the main NZLUG mailing list you want to visit here:

http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nzlug

The problem is compounded by the fact that we recently switched from 
Majordomo to Mailman.

nzlug-discuss is a seperate list that was formed to discuss the future of 
NZLUG. Appropriate that you should be there, probably - but thats not where 
the action happens.  nzlug@linux.net.nz is the one you want.

nzlug.org.nz is a test site and I have to admitt i'd not looked at it 
before tonight. Its a bit misrepresented, so I'll have to ask Nic[1] to 
clarify it somewhat. :-)

I'm very keen to see NZLUG become a strong national resource, but at the 
same time to see the regional LUGs retain their identities and 
personalities.  Also keen to see NZLUG become a useful conduit for 
cooperation between the Regional LUGs for things like national 
installfests, etc.
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