[wlug_org] Re: [nzlug-discuss] WLUG and NZLUG tentative position

[Jamie Baddeley]

On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 00:36 -0700, Brent Wood wrote:
> 
> --- "jamie.baddeley@vpc.co.nz" <jamie.baddeley@vpc.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> > thoughts on this?
> > 
> > WellyLug needs it's own version of this....

[don't take my phrasing 'own version' too literally]

> 
> I think we need input, but not our own version, surely?

We should come up with some goals that Organisation X may want to
achieve on behalf of WellyLug. Things that Wellylug can't achieve by
itself and not things that NZOSS is already achieving.

>  I would hope the NZLUG
> organisers & WLUG will come up with something we can agree with & adopt. I
> don't think a different vision from every LUG will be useful,

It doesn't need to be different. It just needs to represent. Once
everyone has had their say, you find the common ground and work on that.

>  but a
> ratification of a sensible proposal seems a good way to progress this.
> 

aye.

> The key feeling I got from Mark's & the Wellylugites at the meeting last week,
> is that the NZLUG should not be an NZ super-lug, but more a LUG for those who
> want to belong, whether or not they also want to belong to a regional LUG. So
> NZLUG is more or less "just another LUG", with a focus on a list & individuals
> (but not meetings).

If you ignore for a moment what Marks specific objectives are (as
clearly they are meeting headwind from the WLUG crew), and focus on what
Wellyluggers may want, then I think we're probably less inclined to get
push back from Wellington Linux Users. If we try and represent what the
Luggites want then we're doing the right thing.

> 
> We also felt there was a role for an uber-LUG, to try & avoid unnecessary
> duplication & encourage sharing of resources for the regional LUG's & NZLUG.

step back a sec and see whether what is being proposed actually fits.

> Whether or not this meets the "Linux Australia" theme I'm not sure, 
> but it fits
> with the description below. The focus of this group was not political, (NZOSS
> does that), nor individual members (LUG's do that) but as a resource for LUG's
> & Linux in NZ, primarily acting as a NZ Linux Portal.

Let's not get hung up on names and focus on what people want.

But, sure. Nationally co-ordinated events. What would happen if we had a
month or two of installfests rippling up the country? Wow. What would
happen if we were organised enough to hold national linux foo
competitions? what would happen if you could present you geo stuff to a
national stage?

> 
> 
> Is this position one that others here are comfortable with?

I sense you may be in the same place as me, though would be keen to hear
other views.

> 
> If not, what are your concerns & what alternatives do you prefer?
> 
> I suggest we either ratify the general proposal (not necessarily the detailed
> implementation) or provide our differing consensus for their consideration on
> Friday. Persoanlly, th eproposal is close enough to what we agreed at the
> meeting that I believe we should agree in principle with the proposal.

I'd amend the proposal to remove the line 
"..Aggregate LUG opinion and present a unified voice to the Government
and other industry groups.." 

This to me overlaps with nzoss too much.

I'd include the phrase 'WellyLug joins Waikato Lug on this national
group and encourages other regions to do the same'

I'd add a line about needing better communication at a local lug level
from nzoss - has Peter and co ever turned up to give an update?
apologies if I missed it.

I'd put more emphasis on events (coordination)	 - installfests, some
form of interlug competition, and maybe some form of show/conference
that could either tie in with the Aussies (like Dunedin is doing next
year) or perhaps NZNOG. But certainly encourage national and
inter-region stuff.

> I'm not too concerned if we kick off with a Waikato flavour, they have done
> most work so far & are opening their doors to us... I'd like to think we can
> join them in this & add some value to the project.

Sure, but I'd to be sure we have the support of the locals before we
raced off and did that.

I'd like to present a similar statement from WellyLug - it may well be
very similar - but we would have a clear statement that represents us.

jamie