[wellylug] Different approaches [was Screwed up laptop :( ]

[postie]

Yeah, that's me! "simple" and "direct". Hehehe!

The reason I jumped in was because there is *no* difference between 
installing Linux on NTFS
or on FAT. And NTFS is the better filesystem.

Cheers,

Cliff

Jamie Dobbs wrote:

>Very true Damon, I think the thing that surprises me the most sometimes
>is the attitude of some Linux users. Fair enough I made a mistake but I
>am only human and I can expect to make some mistakes, hopefully I learn
>from them.
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>This was the first time I'd tried to install Linux on a system with an
>NTFS drive and obviously I made some fairly major errors in doing it. 
>I enjoy the choice that Gentoo gives me as it does result in a much
>faster running PC than with a 'pre-rolled' distro such as Mandrake (of
>which I am still a big fan and have at least 2 machines running it).
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>The one thing that I think is failing the entire Linux movement is the
>attitude of some people who seem to think that if you don't know what
>you are doing then you shouldn't be using Linux.
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>Note: Cliff, these comments are NOT aimed at you. You asked me some
>simple direct questions which I have tried to answer honestly.I admit
>that I fsck'd up, the error was all mine as I did not know the correct
>way to install lilo or grub on an NTFS system.
>
>These are just general observations of mine that I have made over the
>3-4 years I have been using Linux seriously.
>
>(no offence is meant to anyone by these comments but I would hope that
>everyone can see what I mean)
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>>I find it interesting to compare the Gentoo  and Mandrake approaches to
>>problems like this one. From where I'm sitting, it seems that the
>>Mandrake approach is to get their programmers to take care of these
>>things for you.  Most of the time they do a good job, and their tools
>>work.  I've never seen the problem found above, not because of my own
>>skill, but the skill of the Mandrake coders.  Sometimes their tools
>>don't work too well in some situations, e.g Internet connections using
>>both a modem and a LAN, and that can be frustrating.  In this case the
>>user has to learn up on what the configuration files do for various
>>programs. For instance to take other examples we can think of shorewall
>>and samba configuration when the Mandrake GUI tools are too limited.
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>>Whereas it seems to me that with Gentoo one needs to know a lot more
>>about how things actually work in Linux in order to have a reliable,
>>dependable system.  It's not an option but an imperative to have this
>>knowledge.
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>>Using the approach of Mandrake means less time is spent on configuration
>>(hopefully) and more time using the system to achieve tasks we use
>>computers to do.
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>>Whereas with systems like Gentoo, a primary source of satisfaction
>>presumably comes from learning about the system itself, and watching
>>things hopefully fit together the way they ideally should.  It's a bit
>>like compiling your own programs and watching the messages scroll by
>>compared to watching a progress bar advance as grpmi installs packages
>>for you.  Compiling is raw and sometimes rough, but when it works you
>>think "wow".  Whereas with grpmi the graphical progress bar steadily
>>moving across it's long and narrow window leads to an expectation of
>>"this should work first time".
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>>Make sense?
>>
>>Damon
>>-- 
>>Damon Lynch <damon at asianreflection.com>
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