[wellylug] Re: CA-CERT Assurance

[Sam Cannell]

On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 13:58, Simon Anderson wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Sam Cannell wrote:
> > Ah, now I see what you mean.  Your post didn't make it very clear.
> 
> I think it was clear enough, but didn't fit with your stop energy agenda.

Feel free to brand it as being "stop energy" but I really do feel that
if you are 'cold-emailing' a group of people trying to promote a product
or service to them, you do need to choose your wording very carefully to
avoid ambiguity.

> > I agree, spam and viruses *are* on the increase.  Even so, I don't think
> > that using certificates is the best solution.
> 
> In terms of the specific functionality of email spam/virii, perhaps not 
> but it certainly assists and doesn't preclude the use of other solutions 
> taiolered to this specific area.
> 
> Not to mention the core benefit of privacy/security.

Why reinvent the wheel, though?  What does this service provide that pgp
/ gnupg / spamassassin / clamav don't?

> > Personally, I like Microsoft's DNS caller-id system as a solution for
> > spam.  It requires no changes to existing protocols - it works alongside
> > standard SMTP and nothing forces you to test the validity.
> 
> That would be SPF, a project recently E&E'd by MS.

SPF and DNS Caller ID were two separate standards.  SPF now incorporates
Microsoft's authentication scheme as well.

Why is it that when IBM assists with development of open standards and
open source software it's referred to as 'contributing', but when
Microsoft does the same, the more ominous 'embracing and extending' is
used?

> 
> > I'm not criticising you *or* your offer, only the wording of the first
> > email.
> 
> I've re-read it and bounced it off a number of people. I don't believe 
> that "pushy" is a reasonable interpretation. I do believe however that 
> your position is representative of your LUG, so I'll shut up about 
> CA-Cert.

I don't claim to be representative of the lug; I'm only representative
of me.  If my comments mean that you're going to take back all your toys
and never offer to share them with the lug again, then that's a shame. 
I certainly have nothing against you or anybody else getting benefit
from CA-Cert.  I just don't think it's something I'd be interested in.

Sam
-- 
Sam Cannell <sam at plaz.net.nz>
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