[wellylug] Ubuntu and Itunes/ipod + DVDs/CDRs
differencefilms at igrin.co.nz
differencefilms at igrin.co.nz
Fri Sep 14 11:51:15 NZST 2007
Hi there,
How does Ubuntu react to itunes/ipod??? Are there any teething problems?
I would like to install Ubuntu as I hear it's the strongest of the three
Ubuntus in terms of support etc, but I wouldn't want to install it if my
ipod would crap out on it.
Also, does Ubuntu handle DVDs/CD burning okay? Does Ubuntu use it's own
program for this, and can it accept multi-region DVDs?
Thanks,
David
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:18:39 +1200
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1. Re: Flash for Firefox (Cliff Pratt)
2. Re: Slackware packages (Cliff Pratt)
3. Re: Slackware packages (Cliff Pratt)
4. Re: Slackware packages (Richard Hector)
5. Xtra and Email (Lindsay Hunter)
6. Re: Xtra and Email (Phillip Hutchings)
7. Re: Slackware packages (Darryl Hamilton)
8. Re: Xtra and Email (Darryl Hamilton)
9. Re: Xtra and Email (Lindsay Hunter)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:50:18 +1200
From: Cliff Pratt <enkidu at cliffp.com>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Flash for Firefox
To: Persian <veganforlife at clear.net.nz>, Wellington Linux Users Group
<wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <46E907DA.6090603 at cliffp.com>
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Persian wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 08:52:52PM +1200, Cliff Pratt wrote:
>> Further to my previous, mc is in 'universe'.
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> What is universe please,or where do I find mc?
>
OK, it is a repository. If you use synaptic (which I do, mainly because
if I use a GUI, I'm going to use as many GUIs as possible! 8-) ) then
you can use the GUI to add universe and multiverse. This gives you many
more packages to choose from.
If you choose to use command line tools like apt, you might need to edit
your sources file yourself. Here's a copy of mine. Wherever it says
'feisty' you'll have to put 'dapper' since 6.04 is 'Dapper Drake'. Then
run apt-get update and you should be able to 'apt-get install mc'.
Cheers,
Cliff
# deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release amd64 (20070415)]/
feisty main restricted
deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted
deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted
## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
## team.
deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe multiverse
deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
# deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main
restricted universe multiverse
# deb-src http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main
restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-proposed restricted main
multiverse universe
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:16:51 +1200
From: Cliff Pratt <enkidu at cliffp.com>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Slackware packages
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <46E90E13.5090802 at cliffp.com>
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Andrej wrote:
>
> Oh, and my name is Andrej, no Andre - have nothing to do
> with the seal of TV ... that's not a silent "j" at the end of my
> name, it's quite audible (think Un-d-ray).
>
Ah, apologies for that! My monniker is often cliffp so I assumed Andre
J<something>.
Cheers,
Cliff
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:36:43 +1200
From: Cliff Pratt <enkidu at cliffp.com>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Slackware packages
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <46E912BB.90908 at cliffp.com>
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Andrej wrote:
> On Thursday 13 September 2007 19:32, Cliff Pratt wrote:
>> Andre et al,
>
>> How do you know what packages you have,
> ls /var/log/packages
>
OK, 'dpkg -l' or 'rpm -qa'.
>
>> and how do you know
>> what packages are available for Slack?
> ls /cdrom/slackware/*/*tgz
>:)
>
> Or a browse through PACKAGES.TXT on the slackware site...
> http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-12.0/PACKAGES.TXT
>
> And there's inofficial stuff on http://linuxpackages.net (which I
> don't use) and some interesting (inofficial) stuff on
> http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/
> that Pat hosts (and I trust Eric).
>
I came across http://packages.slackware.it/
>
>> How do you know that a package needs updating?
>
> You mean for an upgrade or for security fixes?
> I'm subscribed to the slackware security mailing list,
> and download new versions of stuff I have installed
> as the mail trickles in ... today for instance php 5.2.4,
> a new ssh and samba. Others use scripts, or tools
> like slapt-get, swaret and the likes.
>
OK, I'll lok at those tools. What I meant was, I suppose, if something
gets upgraded, and it is NOT a security issue, how do you know that
there is a new version? What if you have an out of date Slack system,
how do you bring it up to date?
>
>> Is it purely manual using pkgtool, installpkg and so on?
>
> I've never actually used pkgtool ... installpkg, upgradepkg
> and removepkg for me.
>
Will *any* tarball work? Eg FireFox 2 comes as a tarball. Do you just
installpkg it?
>
>> I'm looking to update my Slack installation (which lives in a
>> VM on my Ubuntu machine) after getting interested after
>> conversation with Andre here.
>
> Ooops :}
>
>> How many people started with Slackware many many years ago and
>> moved on to other distros?
>
> I've migrated the other way ... little exposure to some early
> Yggdrasil stuff that I never got into, and then from Mandrake and
> SuSE back in the late 90's to Slackware in 2000 (having had to
> work with SuSE, RH, Debian and varied commercial Unices), never
> looked back.
>
> We do have a debian box and a ubuntu machine here
> at home as well - but I still find them a pain in the proverbial,
> mostly because of the dependency checking and the package
> management systems. Call me weird (I bet you did anyway :D).
>
Why are they a problem? Why do dependency checking yourself if the PMS
can do it for you? I started on systems that didn't have any dependency
checking and non-versioned libs. Sheer masochism. PMSs are the best
thing since sliced bread.
>
> Debian is on my server because Slack 11 didn't have an
> installable kernel image that supported both the SCSI and the
> RAID controller at the same time, and I needed a quick fix rather
> than starting to fart around with boot-floppies. Slack12 may be
> different, with the huge-2.6 kernel which should pretty much
> support anything the kernel could.
>
Just looked at my Slack 11 and it has about 8 modules. Much fewer than
I'd expect with a modern system. My Ubuntu system goes the other way
with 115 modules loaded. Probably one or two more than I really need....
but still, the way to go is to modularise everything rather than
multiple (relatively huge) monolithic kernels.
If I want to put a 2.6 kernel on my Slack 11, is that possible?
Cheers,
Cliff
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:48:48 +1200
From: Richard Hector <richard at walnut.gen.nz>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Slackware packages
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <1189680528.9301.6.camel at diamond.lan.walnut.gen.nz>
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On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 19:32 +1200, Cliff Pratt wrote:
> How many people started with Slackware many many years ago and moved on
> to other distros?
Bah. Noobs.
I started with SLS.
Admittedly I didn't stick it out for very long that time; there's
limited space to dual boot Linux and DOS6/Win3.0 on a 20M disk, and I
didn't have X (I never did get it going with the Herc green screen).
When I returned to it a few years later, yes it was Slackware for a few
years before I was finally converted - I now run Debian. I think one of
the reasons I didn't switch earlier was that Debian's dependency
checking takes a fair bit of grunt, and probably RAM - when I tried to
install it (bo? 1.2 or 1.3?) on a 386sx25 with 4M of RAM, it took all
night to work out what it was doing ... I wasn't overly impressed. But
since I've been running slightly more decent hardware, it wins.
Richard
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:53:00 +1200
From: Lindsay Hunter <lindsay at csw.co.nz>
Subject: [wellylug] Xtra and Email
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <46E9951C.3090409 at csw.co.nz>
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I am wrestling with email on an unnamed operating systems and
productivity suite. :-)
The results are inconsistent across the LAN. Xtra adsl. Does Xtra
filter outgoing mail in any way other than preventing relaying through
their own mail servers? In the case in question, the outgoing mail
server is in Bellevue, WA.
Lindsay
--
Lindsay Hunter
Computer Solutions
021 341 232
(4) 934 1702
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:49:06 +1200
From: Phillip Hutchings <phillip.hutchings at sitharus.com>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Xtra and Email
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <8321C384-30F4-4727-A530-64F350522F7F at sitharus.com>
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On 14/09/2007, at 7:53 AM, Lindsay Hunter wrote:
> I am wrestling with email on an unnamed operating systems and
> productivity suite. :-)
>
> The results are inconsistent across the LAN. Xtra adsl. Does Xtra
> filter outgoing mail in any way other than preventing relaying through
> their own mail servers? In the case in question, the outgoing mail
> server is in Bellevue, WA.
Xtra don't let you send to mail servers other than their own. If you
must send through a non-Xtra server use a port other than 25, eg SMTP
over SSL (not sure which port) or the submission port (587), most mail
servers worth their salt listen on those ports by default.
--
Phillip Hutchings
http://www.sitharus.com/
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:57:43 +1200
From: Darryl Hamilton <wellylug at addict.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Slackware packages
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <1189717063.7546.42.camel at gozer>
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On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 19:32 +1200, Cliff Pratt wrote:
> How many people started with Slackware many many years ago and moved on
> to other distros?
I too started with Slackware, from the old InfoMagic compilations - I
can't remember the exact version, but it was the 2.0.x kernels.
Stuck to my guns right up until Slackware 11, but the temptress that is
Ubuntu lured me away, and I'm sad to say I haven't looked back.
Upgrading was a bit of a mission, especially when it came to the window
manager. Otherwise I enjoyed the challenge, and the stability, plus
having full control over the packages was refreshing.
D.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:10:01 +1200
From: Darryl Hamilton <wellylug at addict.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Xtra and Email
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <1189717801.7546.43.camel at gozer>
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On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 08:49 +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote:
> Xtra don't let you send to mail servers other than their own. If you
> must send through a non-Xtra server use a port other than 25, eg SMTP
> over SSL (not sure which port) or the submission port (587), most mail
> servers worth their salt listen on those ports by default.
You can apply for exemption to the filtering, but you're better off just
sending through their servers. Assuming they're actually working :)
D.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:17:27 +1200
From: Lindsay Hunter <lindsay at csw.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [wellylug] Xtra and Email
To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug at lists.wellylug.org.nz>
Message-ID: <46E9A8E7.5050204 at csw.co.nz>
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Client PC goes through server on LAN, adsl through Xtra to Bellevue,
WA. (nr Redmond :-) ) using SSL and authentication. Two clients side
by side, one works and the other doesn't with the same settings.
Filtering somewhere. I might need to get down to packet level. Yuck!
L
Phillip Hutchings wrote:
> On 14/09/2007, at 7:53 AM, Lindsay Hunter wrote:
>
>
>> I am wrestling with email on an unnamed operating systems and
>> productivity suite. :-)
>>
>> The results are inconsistent across the LAN. Xtra adsl. Does Xtra
>> filter outgoing mail in any way other than preventing relaying through
>> their own mail servers? In the case in question, the outgoing mail
>> server is in Bellevue, WA.
>>
>
> Xtra don't let you send to mail servers other than their own. If you
> must send through a non-Xtra server use a port other than 25, eg SMTP
> over SSL (not sure which port) or the submission port (587), most mail
> servers worth their salt listen on those ports by default.
>
> --
> Phillip Hutchings
> http://www.sitharus.com/
>
>
>
>
>
--
Lindsay Hunter
Computer Solutions
021 341 232
(4) 934 1702
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