[wlug_org] On fragmentation of the List...

[Jethro Carr]

On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:03 +1200, David Murray wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Jethro Carr wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 17:05 +1200, Ewen McNeill wrote:
> >> So as I suggested before possibly the "poll" to put to the Wellylug
> >> membership is whether the main and "trade" mailing list should be
> >> combined or not.  With the caveat that if they are combined then another
> >> mailing list host will be required.
> >
> > I'm not interested in running a poll on the topic, but I will if many
> > people on this list want me to.
> >
> > I think that it would be stupid to drop Ewen as our mailing list host,
> > due to the fact that he always gives 99.99% uptime, stores all the
> > archives, gives us the bandwidth, all for free. (thanks Ewen!)
> >
> > It would be hard to find someone to match/better that...
> 
> I don't think anybody has a problem with what Ewen and Nous have been 
> generously donating to WellyLUG. And I don't see a need to move away from 
> Nous hosting our two very low volume email lists.

(Nous - should be Naos.)

> I don't, however, see a point in WellyLUG having a separate nearly dead 
> buy/sell/exchange list. Why not simply stand up at a meeting and announce 
> that you've got xyz piece of hardware for sale?



you are deviating from the topic of the mailing list here.

If you want to say that, go ahead and say that you are selling xyz at
the next meeting. I won't stop you, unless you are deliberately
interfering with presentations or something.


Are you on the buy/sell/exchange mailing list? It actually does get a
decent amount of traffic.




> Nobody has addressed the educational aspect of WellyLUG having free 
> hardware available for members (if we had a membership) to either have or 
> to borrow so that they/we could learn more about things that cannot be 
> done with only one computer (if we had members actually wanting to learn 
> - shocking tho' that might be).
> 
> What if a person came along and wanted to learn about Linux, but didn't 
> have a computer of their own?

it has never been a problem so far, and I am sure many people would
happily donate some old hardware.

Wellylug, due to it's nature can't own hardware - who would store it?
Who would lug it around? Who would actually own it?

We have covered all these membership issues before.



> Having hardware available to WellyLUG can help to further the aims and 
> objectives of the Group (that is, if it genuinely had any aims and 
> objectives other than yakking or being a mutual helpdesk for 
> semi-experienced professionals)
> 
> I am starting to feel that I should reconsider what value there can be 
> from membership in WellyLUG.

> 
> We hear lots about what people don't want, and even more about what people 
> don't want to do; but we hear very little indeed from people actually 
> actively wanting to help, or wanting to contribute, or wanting to present 
> Linux to the world, or even... wanting to turn up to meetings.
> 
> And I see a few people preserving vested interests.
> 
> WellyLUG should rediscover what its reason for existence is - and should 
> act on that!

I think the above is "very incorrect". (to use nice words)

Many people attend the meetings, many people do help each other, and
many do contribute. And many people greatly enjoy wellylug.

I think that you might be looking for the wrong sort of organisation.
Most of your posts often seem to be complaints about the way wellylug is
run. Most other people don't seem to have these complaints.

In fact, the last meeting had heaps of people attend, many newbies
solved various problems and in all, it was a very successful evening.

To be honest David, I am getting sick & tried of your posts moaning
about wellylug. I very rarely see a post from you praising anything
wellylug does.

If you want examples to refresh your memory, I can happily provide them
to you. I have many.


If wellylug has such "low value" to you, then why don't you go start
your own fork? Then you can make it like whatever you want.


-- 
Jethro Carr

www.jethrocarr.com
www.jethrocarr.com/index.php?page=cv/cv.php
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