okay, deleted all my gnome-2.6.0 stuff. I installed gnome-2.2.1 as I have done before. Same problem. Could it be X.org? Before, I have always used XFree86, but I changed to x.org recently. -- -- Jethro dodocaptain at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/jethroc http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/jethroc/cv.html http://www.wellylug.org.nz